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:"if I am condemned, I shall be annihilated to nothing: but my ambition is such, as I would either be a world, or nothing" -- in ''Poems'', "To Naturall Philosophers", qtd on pg. xxxvi | :"if I am condemned, I shall be annihilated to nothing: but my ambition is such, as I would either be a world, or nothing" -- in ''Poems'', "To Naturall Philosophers", qtd on pg. xxxvi | ||
men consider the '''exterior''' when using microscopes and instruments; they should, however, be inquiring into the causes (the interior) of things (99-100; 128; 226) | |||
'''feminizing of nature''' merges with her argument in interesting ways; see e.g. 105: "for, Nature being a wise and provident lady, governs her parts very wisely, methodically, and orderly: Also, she is very industrious, and hates to be idle, which makes her employ her time as a good housewife does, in brewing, baking, churning, spinning, sowing, etc." (105) -- natural philosophy should be ''useful'' the way housewife's are; see also 109 | |||
residue of Renaissance resemblance arguments, pg. 123 -- discussing whether the figures of herbs appear in their frozen decoctions | |||
no vacuum in nature (127, 128) | |||
against atomism (129) | |||
every bit of matter has some form of perception; animal/mineral perceptions just aren't accesibly to us: "so that a mineral or vegetable that perceives the figure of an animal, has no more the perception of an animal, than an animal which perceives or patterns out the figure of a mineral or veetable, has the perceptions of those creatures" (142); see also 197, 207 | |||
'''X Of a Butterfly''' | '''X Of a Butterfly''' | ||
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* animals cannot, "for as animals have different parts, so these parts are of different figures, not only exteriorly, but interiorly" (90) -- several sorts of flesh; "all which would puzzle and withstand the power of Ovid's metamorphosing of gods and goddesses" (91) | * animals cannot, "for as animals have different parts, so these parts are of different figures, not only exteriorly, but interiorly" (90) -- several sorts of flesh; "all which would puzzle and withstand the power of Ovid's metamorphosing of gods and goddesses" (91) | ||
* "For, if all creatures could or should be metamorphosed into one sort of figure, then this whole world would perhaps come to be one stone, which would be a hard world." (91) | * "For, if all creatures could or should be metamorphosed into one sort of figure, then this whole world would perhaps come to be one stone, which would be a hard world." (91) | ||
== notes from meeting == | |||
John Rogers, book on Milton -- interested in Milton's science; overreads/misreads vitalism in Milton's poetry | |||
Samuel Butler's response to Royal Society | |||
Neils Bohr: poetry and science; quantam mechanics | |||
Cavendish's scientific poetry: what about her epistemology lets her write poetry? | |||
Cavendish, ''Observations'' | |||
* motion: runs throughout her work; just two decades later, Newton would describe his theories of motion | |||
* what's at stake: whether there can be a vacuum or not? Cavendish denies it; her husband is the patron of Hobbes (also believes there's no vacuum) (pg. 78) | |||
* vacuum is bound up in cosmology | |||
* vacuum as emptiness vs. nothingness | |||
* if there isn't motion, there isn't time | |||
perception | |||
exterior vs. interior | |||
* instruments force us to look only at exteriors, which distract us from knowing causes and interior motions | |||
Lorraine Daston, ''Objectivity'' | |||
* early modern episteme: truth is in nature (form of plants is most perfect) | |||
* switches to turth in machine (machine motion is perfect) | |||
Hobbes: uses sense perception of man to lead into discussion of body politic | |||
Locke: wants to break the connection -- writes first an Essay Concerning Human Understanding; then writes his Treatise on Government | |||
* beginning with the mind as a blank slate, and his work itself as a blank slate; he sets the terms of the debate | |||
virtuality to actualization | |||
1660s: counter-Enlightenment argument begins that provides alternative to British empiricists; father is Spinoza; concerned with virtualization and actualization (forms being represented that can become actual), as opposed to illusion and reality (i.e. artifice is always understood in relation to what reality is) | |||
* Cavendish plays into the idea of illusion vs. reality in her argument against instruments; | |||
* at the same time, Cavendish is interested in an alternative method not based on realism; might | |||
color | |||
* debate about whether it's produced by light/prism, or is it inherent and natural | |||
* Goethe, color -- closing eyes really tight, we can see color; turns color into romantic possibilities -- generated from the inside to the outside | |||
where does information come from? the inside or the outside? | |||
whose doing the observing at this moment in time? | |||
Blazing World | |||
* description: no matter how much Cavendish doesn't like it, she has to use description: it's a ''description'' of a new world, called the blazing world, not "a ''discovery''", as with Wilkins | |||
sumptuary laws: Elizabeth I prohibited wearing of particcular clothes; e.g. can't wear ermine-tipped robes unless you're a monarch or immediate heir to throne; | |||
* make rank visible | |||
* 1590s; Cavendish still discussing in 1660s |
Latest revision as of 14:30, 30 March 2011
- "if I am condemned, I shall be annihilated to nothing: but my ambition is such, as I would either be a world, or nothing" -- in Poems, "To Naturall Philosophers", qtd on pg. xxxvi
men consider the exterior when using microscopes and instruments; they should, however, be inquiring into the causes (the interior) of things (99-100; 128; 226)
feminizing of nature merges with her argument in interesting ways; see e.g. 105: "for, Nature being a wise and provident lady, governs her parts very wisely, methodically, and orderly: Also, she is very industrious, and hates to be idle, which makes her employ her time as a good housewife does, in brewing, baking, churning, spinning, sowing, etc." (105) -- natural philosophy should be useful the way housewife's are; see also 109
residue of Renaissance resemblance arguments, pg. 123 -- discussing whether the figures of herbs appear in their frozen decoctions
no vacuum in nature (127, 128)
against atomism (129)
every bit of matter has some form of perception; animal/mineral perceptions just aren't accesibly to us: "so that a mineral or vegetable that perceives the figure of an animal, has no more the perception of an animal, than an animal which perceives or patterns out the figure of a mineral or veetable, has the perceptions of those creatures" (142); see also 197, 207
X Of a Butterfly
- describes a creature that "appeared partly a vegetable, animal and mineral" (61)
XIV Of Natural Productions
- "I cannot wonder with those, who admire that a creature which inhabits the air, doth yet produce a creature, that for some time lives in the water as a fish, and afterward becomes an inhabitant of the air for this is but a production of one animal from another: but, what is more, I observe that there are productions of and from creatures of quite different kinds; as for example, that vegetables can and do breed animals, and animals, minerals and vegetables, and so forth" (66)
XXII Of Wood Petrified
- clay, dirt, etc., often turn to stone -- they are of a uniform nature, and therefore can transform uniformly
- animals cannot, "for as animals have different parts, so these parts are of different figures, not only exteriorly, but interiorly" (90) -- several sorts of flesh; "all which would puzzle and withstand the power of Ovid's metamorphosing of gods and goddesses" (91)
- "For, if all creatures could or should be metamorphosed into one sort of figure, then this whole world would perhaps come to be one stone, which would be a hard world." (91)
notes from meeting
John Rogers, book on Milton -- interested in Milton's science; overreads/misreads vitalism in Milton's poetry
Samuel Butler's response to Royal Society
Neils Bohr: poetry and science; quantam mechanics
Cavendish's scientific poetry: what about her epistemology lets her write poetry?
Cavendish, Observations
- motion: runs throughout her work; just two decades later, Newton would describe his theories of motion
- what's at stake: whether there can be a vacuum or not? Cavendish denies it; her husband is the patron of Hobbes (also believes there's no vacuum) (pg. 78)
- vacuum is bound up in cosmology
- vacuum as emptiness vs. nothingness
- if there isn't motion, there isn't time
perception
exterior vs. interior
- instruments force us to look only at exteriors, which distract us from knowing causes and interior motions
Lorraine Daston, Objectivity
- early modern episteme: truth is in nature (form of plants is most perfect)
- switches to turth in machine (machine motion is perfect)
Hobbes: uses sense perception of man to lead into discussion of body politic
Locke: wants to break the connection -- writes first an Essay Concerning Human Understanding; then writes his Treatise on Government
- beginning with the mind as a blank slate, and his work itself as a blank slate; he sets the terms of the debate
virtuality to actualization
1660s: counter-Enlightenment argument begins that provides alternative to British empiricists; father is Spinoza; concerned with virtualization and actualization (forms being represented that can become actual), as opposed to illusion and reality (i.e. artifice is always understood in relation to what reality is)
- Cavendish plays into the idea of illusion vs. reality in her argument against instruments;
- at the same time, Cavendish is interested in an alternative method not based on realism; might
color
- debate about whether it's produced by light/prism, or is it inherent and natural
- Goethe, color -- closing eyes really tight, we can see color; turns color into romantic possibilities -- generated from the inside to the outside
where does information come from? the inside or the outside?
whose doing the observing at this moment in time?
Blazing World
- description: no matter how much Cavendish doesn't like it, she has to use description: it's a description of a new world, called the blazing world, not "a discovery", as with Wilkins
sumptuary laws: Elizabeth I prohibited wearing of particcular clothes; e.g. can't wear ermine-tipped robes unless you're a monarch or immediate heir to throne;
- make rank visible
- 1590s; Cavendish still discussing in 1660s